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gerr
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Two words. Krav Maga.
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Do you really think Krav has a better ground game than BJJ?
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Krav Maga is a grappling-striking mixed martial arts, giving you a huge advantage over an opponent who only knows one or the other. In addition, the goal in krav maga is to cripple your opponent as quickly as possible, by any means possible (i.e. also dirty fighting). In my opinion, if mastered, it's probably the best form of self defense for street fights.
Regarding ground fighting- I would just recommend freestyle wrestling- it will teach the right mindframe and the right positions to be in, and once you use one of those moves on someone, you will know how to take the extra step to inflict serious pain (as you wouldnt do during a match)
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The Kimura, armbar and Americana are all high percentage and very painful. The RNC or cross collar aren't painful per se but still incapacitating. It doesn't take a genius to set up a guard pass with some knee-age to the groin and strikes or anything like that either, nor does an eye gouge from mount etcetc. Sorry if I'm not using wrestling terminology as I don't know it, I've just got very, very little experience in BJJ.
I always thought that Krav Maga as taught to IDF people was basically step back and shoot the person? I always thought military hand to hand training was all quite primitive
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I haven't learned krav maga yet, but a good friend of mine's older brother (23) has been training in it for over 5 years, and he's gotten fairly dangerous with it. I got to see him in action at a bar fight, and it wasn't pretty.
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A BJJer for 5 years will have pretty rough control, as will a thai boxer. Or maybe, I just suck at standup and groundwork...The basics have to be there for the ''dirty fighting'' to work in my opinion anyways. The Krav I did in London looked like kickboxing with some consideration for basic clinching, which is good, but nothing special. There was no consideration for proper groundwork.
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Hey guys,
I'm a Shootfighter trained in Thai K.B and BJJ as well as a MAC instructor in the ARMY. I have seen a lot of different styles and techniques i am open to all questions anybody may have. I have seen the discussions you guys have one LT X (aka Chris Pizzo), & Matt Furey. I have seen the ABC Videos, they r ok for good workouts, be aware though along with Chris there is a company out there that claims to make you a certified ASST Instructor for the IACCP (International Association of Close Combat Professionals). They say you can recieve up to $500.00 an Hour. Once again guess who's names are on their contributing members and recommendation list. Yeah both LT X and Mr. Furey. I haven't heard anything back from them yet, my feelings: BIG SCAM!!!!
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Sounds good, anyone want to pay me $500 an hour for my 'expertise'? I can knock up a few certificates on my computer if this helps?
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sexsquatch
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One of the things I actually like about Krav Maga is it's simplicity...the techniques are not fancy or unnatural one can become prettty adept at it in a short time. I personally don't think it's so much the combination of standup and grappling that makes Krav viable it's just mostly common sense.
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However Krav is not a srong source of wrist locks, armbars..etc. Pretty effective for street though...nothing like a groin kick and run.
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