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With the UFC, Vale Tudo and such like theres been a lot of talk about ground fighting, especially BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu). I personally think ground fighting is excellent, but it does have severe limitations which aren't shown up in these events due to the written and unwritten rules which aren't obeyed on the streets. I personally think every fighter should have a good understanding of ground fighting, however good you are chances are you will end up on the floor in a fight, but you must be aware of the limitations :
- Multiple Opponents - other than a match fight this is a possibility, especially if you're winning.
- Weapons - if your opponent has a knife and you are grappling with him on the ground you have little chance of escaping.
- Biting and gouging - will get you out of locks you could never escape from in the dojo.
- Dangers in the environment, eg. traffic.
My personal opinion is to be a good stand up fighter first (such as boxing) and also do some ground fighting. It is also important not to neglect the kicking range, althought it is rarely used in live combat situations.
Have a look at www.geoffthompson.comwww.GeoffThompson.com for some more info...
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On the whole I would agree, but would add that the whole idea of
defending yourself against multiple attackers is by and large a bit of
a fallacy, and grappling / bjj reflects that. These skills are by no
means definitive, and there have been some quality bjj / grapplers
beaten by good stand-up men, usually in the style of ground and pound
type punching. I've never yet seen kicks do anything much, however I am
sure that someone has somewhere ...
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I have to agree with you there, kicks have never helped me in a real situation on the streets, in my personal opinion boxing is where it's at for no-nonsense self-defence.
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I think that kicks are certainly useful for some scenarios, and if you
are going to try and be an all-rounder, as mma is supposed to be, you
should be able to perform a couple of basic kicks. Royce Gracie used a
basic sort of front kick to very good effect in the early UFC's simply
by means of keeping punchers at bay, I don't think he ever actually
kicked anyone, just kept them at bay until he wanted to clinch. As
regards a street type incident, particularly if you have, for instance,
a large male rushing you who has probably had a few drinks, a moving
side-kick, if timed properly, squarely in the guts, would very likely
bring them up short. The fact that you have the greatest fighting /
striking distance with kicks should not be overlooked I think for
certain situations. In their excellent book about BJJ technique, Royler
& Renzo Gracie advocate a very simple sort of side kick to the knee
/ shin, which minimises risk and is also effective. It's the kicks of
the likes of Tae Kwon Do etc. that, no disrespect to that art, aren't
very practical I feel by and large, and let's face it, you look a right
c*nt if you try and use one and make a mess of it ;-)
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I agree completely. While I don't want to turn this into an anti-TKD
circlejerk, some of the techniques TKD employs -- such as the
"roundhouse kick to the hand" used to disarm knife-wielding opponents
-- are just silly.
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I remember when I still still relatively new to kung fu and a TKD black belt guy came to our class, he was very easily beaten by closing the distance which is a shame because I think it has some excellent kicks.
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Defending against multi-attacker is a very hard thing to do, very hard. But all in all, I would rather be on my feet defending the first couple of attack then getthing the heck out of there. Then laying on my back with some knuckle head in my guard. While his friends decide to play soccer with my head.
I am a grappler, but a strong stand up game is indead important. It's said that 90% of all fight may go to the ground (which by the way is BS) but all fights start standing up.
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when you are wrestling, like federation true blue folk style
wrestling, you can very easily incapacitate your enemy, with out
having to go by the unwritten rules of street fighting.
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i whooped 3 guys..and i am a red belt in tkd....they couldn't even touch me.....my trick is....lotta stretiching..lotta pushups..and lotta practice....in order of course.....taekwondo is dangerous ..trust me...;)
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3 guys in a row, or all at once?
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