Posted: 09 July 2005 at 14:10 | IP Logged

In fact you did tell me to search out Ahida Kim a couple threds back.

And if he is a fraud then were in or around Lake Wales, Florida would I find a real instructer.

Posted: 09 July 2005 at 14:18 | IP Logged

Oh and in case you can't find it here are the quotes frome it.

Posted: 09 July 2005 at 20:00 | IP Logged

lol, unfortuneltly you didn't catch his sarcasm on that one. Those techniques are for the most part Hollywood based. As far as I know these sorts of things are not commonly taught.

On a side note: I'm glade I stumbled onto this forum, I notice some other folks from Brampton are here :D. After doing some searches for ninjutsu dojos Brampton I came across the Kageyama Dojo's site, however the commute could prove to be costly not to mention time consuming... :P Now to see if I can find a Kempo dojo in the area...

Posted: 09 July 2005 at 21:44 | IP Logged

Oh you are THAT guy.  Yes that was sarcasm man.  Your post indicated that you wanted to learn movie Ninjutsu.  So is essence yes I did direct you to Ashida.  He will be able to steer you in the right direct for fake crap like you see on TV.  But if you want to learn SERIOUS martial arts.  Looks for the Bujinkan, Genbukan, Jinenkan.  They are your best bet.   The Nindo Ryu Gendai Ninjutsu is down in Florida I believe.  But I have seen them in person although they are great people, the art is a bit sketchy and I would not recommend it.

Posted: 11 July 2005 at 21:28 | IP Logged

Honshin-Warrior:

You mentioned the Kuji-Kiri. I have read that word before in one of the infamous Ashida Kim's books.

I am not interested in questioning or defending Ashida Kims creditibility, but can you please tell me what you think of the breathing techniques he called Kuji-Kiri in one of his books?(incase you read it)

Is it what you learned as Kuji-Kiri?

Can you tell me where i can more information about it?

Posted: 11 July 2005 at 22:40 | IP Logged

Ashida does talk about Kuji-Kiri or Kuji-in ( They are the samething)  I have a few of his books as well.  He talks about it giving you super natural abilities and stuff like that (The guy calls himself a Jedi Knight... I am serious!!)  It is used basically for a focus, calming effect.  Each hand knotting position represents something (There are the main ones, then there are ones that branch off that but no one really deals with them anymore)  What it does is basically trigger a preset reaction.  For example, have you seen when comedy hypnotists make people cluck like a chicken?  It is sort of like that.  You set yourself up so the hand positions when recited and the hands are knotted you get an effect.   But each one takes a long time to get.  I have just started to grasp 2 of them after 4 years. 

A lot of it was used as mind games as well.  Used to scare the dimwitted people of the time.  If a person saw a Ninja chanting and knotting his hands all up, on top of the fact that people thought that Ninja's were the decendants of Tengu's( Forest Demons) it would really scare the crap out of them! lol   Much of what was taught in Ninjutsu has been cast aside.  It just doesn't fool people as well anymore!

Posted: 11 July 2005 at 23:44 | IP Logged

Ah thanks for the reply.

I found a site that said kuji-kiri refers to the grid of nine lines, used for the kanjis(?)

and kuji-in as the term for the Finger knotting

but Ashida was the only one who described breathing techniques

(the book im referring to is called "Secrets of the Ninja")

Its obvious to me that these books are using Ninja hype to make some money, which doesnt neccesarily mean that there isnt useful information in it.

The super natural abilities that are mentioned in the book seemed to be more part of the traditional passing on of the techniques from generation to generation than they are Ashidas opinion or belief.

As I said before im not trying to defend the person under the pen name Ashida Kim here, although I have seen a lot of imature discussion on the topic.

I really dont care much about it.

If people follow him simply because they believe he is a Ninja master or Jedi knight or whatever they are foolish even if he is for real(whatever real means to them).

But Im interested in meditation and these excercises seemed more intense than the usual clear your mind and breathe deeply.

So Im wondering if these breathing techniques have some real background and if they are really connected to the kuji-kiri/kuji-in or if they are either fiction or some other teaching that somehow found its way into the book or into the authors interpretation of Ninjitsu.

I hope this still fits in the topic and please dont let this derail into another Ashida Kim discussion.